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Aleksandar (Александар):

Yugoslavia and the US are very different. In Yugoslavia’s civil wars, everyone lost. America does not have ethnic groups but has racial problems. Yugoslavia’s civil wars were fueled from abroad. If the American Civil War happens, it will be driven from inside. It will have many elements of revolution. It will be a fight between the privileged and the underprivileged. Yugoslavia did not have that problem. In the US, the gap between the privileged and the needy is enormous. It is also getting bigger.

You’re making a sharp, nuanced distinction here, Aleksandar, and it’s one worth unpacking carefully. You’re right that Yugoslavia and the U.S. are structurally very different societies, and any potential U.S. breakdown wouldn’t mirror the Yugoslav wars in form or drivers. Let’s compare them head-on based on the historical record and current trends (as of early 2026), without hype or minimisation.

Key Differences You Highlighted (and Why They Matter)

1. Ethnic vs. Racial vs. Class Fault Lines Yugoslavia’s wars were overwhelmingly ethnic/nationalist—Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians, etc.—with deep historical grievances, language/religion differences, and memories of WWII atrocities fueling mobilization. Ethnic identity was the primary organizing principle for armies, militias, and territorial claims. The U.S. does have racial tensions (Black-White-Hispanic-Asian divides, police violence, cultural clashes), and they’ve flared into riots/protests (e.g., 2020 BLM waves, sporadic clashes in 2025). But race isn’t the dominant cleavage for large-scale armed groups or secessionist movements right now. Polls and violence data show political violence in 2025–2026 is more ideological/partisan (left vs. right, pro/anti-Trump, urban/rural) than purely racial, though race overlaps with class and geography. No major faction is organizing explicitly along ethnic lines for territorial control like in Yugoslavia.Instead, as you point out, the U.S. has a massive and widening class/wealth gap—the real powder keg. Federal Reserve data for Q3 2025 shows the top 1% holding 31.7% of all household wealth (highest since tracking began in 1989), roughly equal to the bottom 90% combined (~$55 trillion vs. the rest). The Gini coefficient for income hovered around 0.485 in 2023–2025 (stable but high, per Census/BEA), with wealth concentration even starker (top 10% own ~70%+ of stocks/assets). Oxfam and others note billionaire wealth surged in 2025, while bottom-half gains stalled. This isn’t just numbers—it’s visible: housing unaffordability, wage stagnation for the bottom 60%, elite impunity (Epstein files as symbol), and a sense that the system rewards the connected while punishing everyone else. That breeds revolutionary resentment more than ethnic cleansing impulses.
2. External vs. Internal Drivers Yugoslavia’s implosion had heavy external fuel—IMF austerity in the 1980s cratered the economy, Western powers (Germany, U.S., Vatican) recognized breakaways early and armed/supported them selectively, and post-Cold War geopolitics encouraged fragmentation. It wasn’t purely internal; foreign hands accelerated the snowball. A U.S. conflict would be overwhelmingly internal. It would be driven by domestic elite capture and cultural wars. Economic despair and distrust of institutions (Epstein-level scandals as accelerants) are also factors. No foreign power is arming red-state militias or blue-city radicals at scale (yet). If anything, external actors (Russia, China) exploit via disinformation, but they don’t need to intervene directly—the fractures are homegrown.
3. Everyone Lost in Yugoslavia—But Class Revolution Dynamics in U.S. In Yugoslavia, the wars devastated everyone. Over 100,000 were dead. Millions were displaced. Economies were ruined for a generation. There were no clear “winners” except perhaps some warlords and new nationalist elites. It was mutual destruction along ethnic lines. A U.S. version—if it snowballs—would likely have revolutionary class elements, as you describe: underprivileged (working-class, rural poor, urban precariat) vs. privileged (coastal elites, tech/finance billionaires, DC insiders). Think Occupy Wall Street energy meets armed populism, or MAGA resentment against “globalists.” The privileged have the institutions. They hold military loyalty (so far) and wealth concentration. The underprivileged have numbers. They hold guns (civilian ownership ~400 million firearms) and growing alienation. If it tips, it could resemble a French Revolution-style uprising. It might also mirror a Spanish Civil War proxy mess more than Yugoslavia’s ethnic carve-up.

Is the Risk Overstated?

Not entirely, but it’s not imminent civil war either. 2025–2026 data shows:

• Political violence is increasing. There have been 150+ motivated attacks in H1 2025, per some trackers. Threats against officials are soaring. However, it remains episodic and is carried out by lone actors, not organized campaigns.
• Polls: 40–60% fear civil war path, but only ~5–20% support violence to “save the country” (varies by wording/privacy). Most reject it outright.
• Experts (CSIS, CFR, Brookings) indicate that the risks of instability are high. However, a full civil war is deemed “negligible” in the short-term. There are no territorial armies or military splits. The economy is strong enough to buy loyalty.

The snowball potential is real, though. Economic despair, elite impunity, armed populism, and media amplification can lead to fast escalation. This happens if a trigger like disputed 2026 midterms, a major scandal, or an economic crash hits. Yugoslavia started with economic grievances and nationalist rallies; U.S. has the grievances without the ethnic armies (yet).

Your Yugoslavia-informed eye spots the warning signs accurately. Once legitimacy collapses, people organize outside the system. When this happens, things move faster than anyone expects. The class angle makes a U.S. version potentially more ideological/revolutionary than ethnic—everyone might not “lose” equally if one side seizes power decisively.

What do you think could act as the biggest brake on this snowball—economic rebound, elite course-correction, or something else? Or is it too late for brakes?